Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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#31 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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Morgan Jones wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:15 pm I'm afraid that if you claim I've made seven errors but fail to specify them, thereby denying the right to respond, then that's discourteous because it makes the assumption that all your bones of contention are correct. And they may not be.

Hi Morgan, I for one appreciated your very useful (certainly to me) and well intentioned post.
Tonearm arm wiring is something I've shied away from, and to me that was useful and practical advice
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#32 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:24 am The classification of the job as "horribly fiddly " is a value judgement not a fact .

Some people may find it ' therapeutically difficult'

That is the first paragraph .
I must agree with phil's comments ..
I have attempted soldering very fine wires and morgans descriptions to me are very apt.
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#33 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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Good reference to the Optivisor, they look good. I use one of these:



I find them better (myself) as its quicker and simpler to switch from with to without the lenses, And they work well while also wearing glasses. YMMV.
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#34 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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Logical fallacy . Generalising from the particular .

Furthermore agreeing with someone does not shift thier opinion to fact . Even if 1000s agreed.
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Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:31 pm Logical fallacy . Generalising from the particular .

Furthermore agreeing with someone does not shift thier opinion to fact . Even if 1000s agreed.
Conversely, only one person stating a fact does not make it merely an opinion.
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#36 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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No , the laws of logic established it was .
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Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:49 pm No , the laws of logic established it was .
I don't understand that post if its a reply to mine. What does "it" and "was" refer to?

But to go back to Morgans post.

"Hum: Tightly twisted pair per channel. The loose four-wire twist usually used is very poor at rejecting hum."

Are you suggesting that the bold part is an opinion? I would regard it as an observable and measurable fact.
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Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:49 pm No , the laws of logic established it was .
Makes no sense to me either. :?
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#39 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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I used the example "horribly fiddly "

Thus by logical inference all the comments I made are refering to this example.

A fact is a piece of information that can be shown to be true .

Thus 'horribly fiddly' is necessarily an opinion .
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Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:34 pm I used the example "horribly fiddly "

Thus by logical inference all the comments I made are refering to this example.

A fact is a piece of information that can be shown to be true .

Thus 'horribly fiddly' is necessarily an opinion .
I am not sure how anyone would view "horribly fiddly" as anything more than an opinion. But if that's what you are talking about, then fine.
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#41 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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I took issue with the o/p writing style because he had a habit of presenting opinion as fact. In what was an interesting post.

The rest of the diversion was prompted by responses.

May I suggest you figure out if you want to play irrelevant logic games in future before you begin .
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#42 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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Could we just go back to the original subject please? I don’t care about whether Morgan’s statements are opinion or fact. I’m a grown-up so I can judge that for myself. His contribution is a valuable one either way, but right now I wouldn’t blame him for deciding it’s really not worth bothering, which would be a great loss.
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+1
I cannot blame anyone for not bothering with this forum right now, and that's a damn shame, given what's it's meant to us over the years.
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#44 Re: Internal Tonearm wire recommendations

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IslandPink wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:49 pm +1
I cannot blame anyone for not bothering with this forum right now, and that's a damn shame, given what's it's meant to us over the years.
Agreed, but I hope Morgan won't let one "argumentative twerp" stop him contributing to the forum most of us hold dear.
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I agree with your sentiment Phil, but name-calling is hardly helpful.
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