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SteveTheShadow Needs to get out more

Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 1723 Location: South Yorks
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: All DHT Phono Stage |
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Now that the school summer holidays are upon us and I've finally got a "proper" teaching job to go back to in September at a school 5 minutes walk from our house I can think about spending a few bob to build a phono stage.
I stumbled across this one on Dmitri Nizhegorodov's website that uses miniature battery DHTs.
I was partly inspired by this quote by t'other Andrew in my old 46 monkey amp thread
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What happened to the phono? I was looking forward to that....although I thought the design you had was a little, can I say, unadventurous for your goodself.....
-- Andrew |
Using 7 pin DCC90 dual direct heated battery triodes, it looks like a bit more of an interesting build than the RCA variant I was planning on doing. Looks like the success or failure will depend on how good a PSU I can build.
Here is the lowdown on the phono stage from Nizhegorodov's site.
http://www.dmitrynizh.com/3a5-phono.htm
What does the panel think?
Steve _________________ Van Gogh did some eyeball pleasers,
He must 'ave been a pencil squeezer.
He didn't do the Mona Lisa,
That was an Italian Geezer.
There ain't half been some clever bastards.... Ian Dury (1942 - 2000) |
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Andrew Shed dweller
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Ohh err
Now, that I can look forward to
-- Andrew |
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andrew Ivimey Shed dweller

Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 2951 Location: Bedford
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:15 am Post subject: |
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errr-oooooo!
'''''''success or failure will depend on how good a PSU I can build. ''''''
and how!
good luck |
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simon Needs to get out more
Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 1518 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Phwwwwwwooooooaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!
Copyright DTB.
A DHT phono, fabulous, can't wait to hear it. Good luck with the filament supplies.  |
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Andrew Shed dweller
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I notice he has a Spice model for this little valve too, a nice piece of work.
My only concern is the poor output impedance, might need a pre?
Edit, yes I think it will need a pre as its a bit short on gain too.
-- Andrew |
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SteveTheShadow Needs to get out more

Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 1723 Location: South Yorks
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| Andrew wrote: |
My only concern is the poor output impedance, might need a pre?
Edit, yes I think it will need a pre as its a bit short on gain too.
-- Andrew |
Yeah I noticed that too.
I think the way around this is to build the phono and its associated preamp and cathode follower as one box with the PSU as a separate unit. I think it will be a pretty challenging task to pull off. Among the many risks with building this thing is the possibility of undoing all the great sound of the DHTs in the phono section with some crappy preamp valve/cathode follower stuffed on the end of it.
This is going to have to be done to a high standard all the way through.
The little Monkey amp and the Lenco TT deserve nothing less.
I'm ordering the little tubes on Monday.
Steve _________________ Van Gogh did some eyeball pleasers,
He must 'ave been a pencil squeezer.
He didn't do the Mona Lisa,
That was an Italian Geezer.
There ain't half been some clever bastards.... Ian Dury (1942 - 2000) |
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Andrew Shed dweller
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I would consider building it as stock and then seeing what we can do with the last two stages to increase drive and add a bit more gain. I'd be tempted to try a different last stage rather than add a pre etc.
cheers,
-- Andrew |
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SteveTheShadow Needs to get out more

Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 1723 Location: South Yorks
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Andrew wrote: | I would consider building it as stock and then seeing what we can do with the last two stages to increase drive and add a bit more gain. I'd be tempted to try a different last stage rather than add a pre etc.
cheers,
-- Andrew |
Well the first stage in the building of the phono in stock form was to redraw the circuit in a form that would enable
me to get my head around the way the filaments are supplied WRT the actual pin connections.
My head still hurts from that exercise.
Anyway; here's the redrawn circuit. The filament supplies are quite ingenious really.
Also need to do the loadlines from Huber's triode curves and see where everything is operating, so I can put some voltages and currents on the diagram.
Steve _________________ Van Gogh did some eyeball pleasers,
He must 'ave been a pencil squeezer.
He didn't do the Mona Lisa,
That was an Italian Geezer.
There ain't half been some clever bastards.... Ian Dury (1942 - 2000) |
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SteveTheShadow Needs to get out more

Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 1723 Location: South Yorks
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Right,
Here are some voltages and currents. The data was taken from the small gif on Dmitri's page so the calcs can only be approximate due to the smallness of the chart I had to work with. It'll do to start with though, so at least I'll know what to expect in terms of voltages, when I come to test the thing.
Not a lot of drive without at least a cathode follower on the end by the looks of it, although he does acknowledge that fact. Nevertheless, it is far too intriguing for me not to build it. _________________ Van Gogh did some eyeball pleasers,
He must 'ave been a pencil squeezer.
He didn't do the Mona Lisa,
That was an Italian Geezer.
There ain't half been some clever bastards.... Ian Dury (1942 - 2000) |
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Will Old Hand
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 428 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Steve I had a look at this as a possible project and it seems nobody has built it, power to your elbow.
I did look on AA and the 3a5 is a wee bit bright, other than that is very good.
Those STC valves could be usefull as a pre to counter any brightness.
I'll be behind you all the way great stuff. |
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SteveTheShadow Needs to get out more

Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 1723 Location: South Yorks
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Will
In terms of PSUs, the choices are clear; either it is to be three power supplies full of iron and valve rectified with EZ81s and gas tube regulated, or three rectified/regulated supplies, full of very big caps and things with legs.
Methinks I need to put Windows 2000 back on the Macbook Pro and break out PSUD. That is unless somebody else could give me a start from their end with some simple supplies: creep creep
Steve _________________ Van Gogh did some eyeball pleasers,
He must 'ave been a pencil squeezer.
He didn't do the Mona Lisa,
That was an Italian Geezer.
There ain't half been some clever bastards.... Ian Dury (1942 - 2000) |
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al newall Old Hand

Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 910 Location: Chester
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | full of very big caps and things with legs. |
Wot. Yer mean big headed spiders.?
I know what you mean about PSUD. I haven't got the patience to get it working with linux.
So i'll be re-installing Windows 2000 soon as well. I think the wife is missing Windows too.
Meanwhile i'm following this with interest as usual. _________________ Much to learn there is. |
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Andrew Shed dweller
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Regulated will be cheaper than lots of iron. Question is do you want solid state or valve?
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SteveTheShadow Needs to get out more

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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Andrew wrote: | Question is do you want solid state or valve?
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Yes to both.
Here's a block diagram of what I have in mind:
valve rectification, followed by a biggish henry choke then a (100uF ?) cap, followed by solid state HT regulator.
Steve _________________ Van Gogh did some eyeball pleasers,
He must 'ave been a pencil squeezer.
He didn't do the Mona Lisa,
That was an Italian Geezer.
There ain't half been some clever bastards.... Ian Dury (1942 - 2000) |
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Will Old Hand
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| Steve I would build a cLCLC small C before the the first L and a dropper resistor to ground to pull some current through the chokes, before going with regs. Also I would use one supply and decouple the stages before building separate supplies. |
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