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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: All DHT Phono Stage Reply with quote

Now that the school summer holidays are upon us and I've finally got a "proper" teaching job to go back to in September at a school 5 minutes walk from our house Very Happy I can think about spending a few bob to build a phono stage.

I stumbled across this one on Dmitri Nizhegorodov's website that uses miniature battery DHTs.



I was partly inspired by this quote by t'other Andrew in my old 46 monkey amp thread

Andrew wrote:

What happened to the phono? I was looking forward to that....although I thought the design you had was a little, can I say, unadventurous for your goodself.....

-- Andrew


Using 7 pin DCC90 dual direct heated battery triodes, it looks like a bit more of an interesting build than the RCA variant I was planning on doing. Looks like the success or failure will depend on how good a PSU I can build.

Here is the lowdown on the phono stage from Nizhegorodov's site.
http://www.dmitrynizh.com/3a5-phono.htm

What does the panel think?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohh err Wink

Now, that I can look forward to Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

errr-oooooo!

'''''''success or failure will depend on how good a PSU I can build. ''''''

and how!

good luck
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phwwwwwwooooooaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!

Copyright DTB.

A DHT phono, fabulous, can't wait to hear it. Good luck with the filament supplies. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice he has a Spice model for this little valve too, a nice piece of work.

My only concern is the poor output impedance, might need a pre?

Edit, yes I think it will need a pre as its a bit short on gain too.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:


My only concern is the poor output impedance, might need a pre?

Edit, yes I think it will need a pre as its a bit short on gain too.

-- Andrew


Yeah I noticed that too.

I think the way around this is to build the phono and its associated preamp and cathode follower as one box with the PSU as a separate unit. I think it will be a pretty challenging task to pull off. Among the many risks with building this thing is the possibility of undoing all the great sound of the DHTs in the phono section with some crappy preamp valve/cathode follower stuffed on the end of it.

This is going to have to be done to a high standard all the way through.
The little Monkey amp and the Lenco TT deserve nothing less.

I'm ordering the little tubes on Monday.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would consider building it as stock and then seeing what we can do with the last two stages to increase drive and add a bit more gain. I'd be tempted to try a different last stage rather than add a pre etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:
I would consider building it as stock and then seeing what we can do with the last two stages to increase drive and add a bit more gain. I'd be tempted to try a different last stage rather than add a pre etc.

cheers,

-- Andrew


Well the first stage in the building of the phono in stock form was to redraw the circuit in a form that would enable
me to get my head around the way the filaments are supplied WRT the actual pin connections.
My head still hurts from that exercise.

Anyway; here's the redrawn circuit. The filament supplies are quite ingenious really.



Also need to do the loadlines from Huber's triode curves and see where everything is operating, so I can put some voltages and currents on the diagram.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right,

Here are some voltages and currents. The data was taken from the small gif on Dmitri's page so the calcs can only be approximate due to the smallness of the chart I had to work with. It'll do to start with though, so at least I'll know what to expect in terms of voltages, when I come to test the thing.



Not a lot of drive without at least a cathode follower on the end by the looks of it, although he does acknowledge that fact. Nevertheless, it is far too intriguing for me not to build it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve I had a look at this as a possible project and it seems nobody has built it, power to your elbow.
I did look on AA and the 3a5 is a wee bit bright, other than that is very good.
Those STC valves could be usefull as a pre to counter any brightness.
I'll be behind you all the way Smile great stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the vote of confidence Will Very Happy

In terms of PSUs, the choices are clear; either it is to be three power supplies full of iron and valve rectified with EZ81s and gas tube regulated, or three rectified/regulated supplies, full of very big caps and things with legs.

Methinks I need to put Windows 2000 back on the Macbook Pro and break out PSUD. That is unless somebody else could give me a start from their end with some simple supplies: creep creep Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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full of very big caps and things with legs.


Wot. Yer mean big headed spiders.?

I know what you mean about PSUD. I haven't got the patience to get it working with linux.
So i'll be re-installing Windows 2000 soon as well. I think the wife is missing Windows too.

Meanwhile i'm following this with interest as usual.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regulated will be cheaper than lots of iron. Question is do you want solid state or valve?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:
Question is do you want solid state or valve?

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Yes to both.

Here's a block diagram of what I have in mind:

valve rectification, followed by a biggish henry choke then a (100uF ?) cap, followed by solid state HT regulator.



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve I would build a cLCLC small C before the the first L and a dropper resistor to ground to pull some current through the chokes, before going with regs. Also I would use one supply and decouple the stages before building separate supplies.
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